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>From [e-mail] Tue Jul  5 05:49:30 PDT 1994
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To anyone that can help,

I am investigating MacTCP programming and wonder
if anyone knows of any source code that can be
compiled using the Symantec Think C compiler.

I have met with problems getting error messages like

<invalid redeclaration of ParamBlockHeader>,

that and the lack of SO MANY include files eg.
Cursorctl.h, getmyipaddr.h, AddressXlation.h etc...
have given the impression that I am attempting to
compile the wrong code.

BTW are MPW and Think C compatible? if not what
patches has one got to do to port code from one
format to the other.

I'd would be grateful for MacTCP code that compiles using
Think C.

I am interested in utils like ftp, ping, finger, telnet
etc....

Thanks.


Josh.



>From [e-mail] Tue Jul  5 07:27:41 PDT 1994
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From: Dana S Emery <[e-mail]>
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a lot of source code exists, Newswatcher, ftpd, perhaps even Mailstrom (the IMAP
mail client I am now using), maybe even a game or two (?Bolo?, ?Maelstrom?), use
archie or browse the macgift sites for em.

Think C deliberatly uses the MPW .h files as a basis for generating its
libraries, but Think has its own concepts of how to interface your code to the
traps, its "glue" will be similar in effect to MPW, but not always identical.
Every time Apple revises the .h files Symantec brings out revised parallel
versions.

Metrowerks has a similar policy.

Your difficulties in compiling are probably due to a mising or incompatible set
of the MacTCP headers, these are an Apple licensed product which is available to
APDA registered developers for not very much $, but there have been changes
historically, and its generally unclear which version is apropriate to whatever
third party code you have at the moment---especially since it is technically
illegal to make the headers public, thus released third party code usually omits
em.  The MacTCP driver is what apple should be jelously guarding, not its
interface files, but since apple bundles it all in the release and doesnt
clarify anything...

hope that helps some.
--
dana s emery <[e-mail]>

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>To anyone that can help,
>
>I am investigating MacTCP programming and wonder
>if anyone knows of any source code that can be
>compiled using the Symantec Think C compiler.
>

>I'd would be grateful for MacTCP code that compiles using
>Think C.
>
>I am interested in utils like ftp, ping, finger, telnet
>etc....

Have you tried looking in the TCP/IP dierectory @ Apple's FTP SITES? There
are several examples of code there, although I have tried none of them.

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>From [e-mail] Tue Jul  5 21:05:19 PDT 1994
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Hey folks!

I'm relatively new to this list, so if it's been asked already, I apologize.

I downloaded the ThinkC 7.0.3 updater the other day and was in the process of
doing the update when I became stuck at the script to 'Rebuild ANSI Libraries.'
The instructions say to start Think Project Manager, then run the script.
I started the TPM and double-clicked on the script and it won't run.  Do I need
AppleScript to run this thing? Or am I just totally missing something?

-Adam
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>Hey folks!
>
>I'm relatively new to this list, so if it's been asked already, I apologize.
>
>I downloaded the ThinkC 7.0.3 updater the other day and was in the process of
>doing the update when I became stuck at the script to 'Rebuild ANSI Libraries.'
>The instructions say to start Think Project Manager, then run the script.
>I started the TPM and double-clicked on the script and it won't run.  Do I need
>AppleScript to run this thing? Or am I just totally missing something?
>
>-Adam


You need Applescript.

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>From [e-mail] Wed Jul  6 14:45:40 PDT 1994
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Hi,

>I downloaded the ThinkC 7.0.3 updater the other day and was in the process of
>doing the update when I became stuck at the script to 'Rebuild ANSI Libraries.'
>The instructions say to start Think Project Manager, then run the script.
>I started the TPM and double-clicked on the script and it won't run.  Do I need
>AppleScript to run this thing? Or am I just totally missing something?

Yes, you need AppleScript to run that script.

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>From [e-mail] Wed Jul  6 17:48:48 PDT 1994
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OK, I got the response that it indeed was an AppleScript script to update the
ANSI libraries.  It stated that this was included w/ the 7.0 C++.
I had upgraded from 6.x to 7.0, then 7.0.x. Was appleScript included in the
upgrade or did you have to purchase the 7.0 version?

Also, would the fact that my ANSI libraries have not been updated cause serious
problems w/ compiling?

-Adam
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Subject: Invalid Redeclaration of TheGDevice.

I am having problems compiling NCSA Telnet 2.6
source code. I keep on coming up with the error
message

Invalid redeclaration of TheGDevice

this declaration is in the Sysequ.h file. Does
anyone out there know how to get round this
problem?

Josh.
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Subject: Telnet 2.6

I ma having a problem compiling Telnet 2.6 code,
this is the distributed as:

Telnet2.6.1.d14/26/94.cpt.

I keep on getting the error:

invalid redeclaration of TheGDevice

I have sorted out all the other descrepancies
and this is the only persistent error that I
cannot find a solution to.

Is there a known solution to this problem?

I would be very grateful of any help offered.


Josh.

ps: I am using Symantec Think C Version 6
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I would like to build a code resource with Symantec C++ 7 which is
called from MatLab (built as a MEX-File). This code resource must
talk with another application via Apple Events. My questions are:

   - can a code resource send and receive Apple Events
   - has anyone attempted this sort of thing with MatLab

Kevin - [e-mail]

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_______________________________________________________________________________
> From: [e-mail] on 7 Jul, 1994 20:02
> Subject: Apple Events and code resources
> To: Multiple recipients of list
>
>
> I would like to build a code resource with Symantec C++ 7 which is
> called from MatLab (built as a MEX-File). This code resource must
> talk with another application via Apple Events. My questions are:
>
>    - can a code resource send and receive Apple Events

Yes, because once the code resource is loaded, it _is_ the host application. So
MatLab is sending the AE.

>    - has anyone attempted this sort of thing with MatLab

I don't know MatLab, but I'm just finishing up a 4D external which sends AEs.
It doesn't seem to be much of a problem. The only concern I can see in this set
up is if the event could take a while and you are waiting for a reply
(kAEWaitReply), then you supply an idle proc which receives certain events, and
from this procedure a program could spin the cursor and handle updates. It
wouldn't be possible for a code resource to do this unless the host app
provides callbacks.
>
> Kevin - [e-mail]


-wayne
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>> I would like to build a code resource with Symantec C++ 7 which is
>> called from MatLab (built as a MEX-File). This code resource must
>> talk with another application via Apple Events. My questions are:
>>
>>    - can a code resource send and receive Apple Events
>
>Yes, because once the code resource is loaded, it _is_ the host application. So
>MatLab is sending the AE.
>
>>    - has anyone attempted this sort of thing with MatLab
>

I haven't done it with MatLab, but I have with another application that
loads  code resources as externals. The biggest problem I had was the fact
that the application moves the code around in memory when it isn't using
it, so when you want to receive appleevents, the location of your callback
may have changed.

To alleviate that situation, I created another code resource that just
contained my callback functions, and then when my code resource was loaded,
I loaded the callback resource and locked it. Now, my own code can come and
go, but the callback will always be there so that AppleEvents can get sent
to it.

I haven't done much work with it yet, but my experiments have indicated
that it works. I haven't figured out how to call back to my code that is
moving around, but I'll cross that bridge when I get there.

When another application sends an AppleEvent to this code resource, it
sends it to the application that loads it... in your case MatLab, since it
owns the world that your code runs in.


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Subject: Server Query

Here's my situation: I have a whole slew of macs on an appleshare network.
 On each computer I have an application I wrote, that also has an init
associated with it.  This init causes the continuous update of a data file
located in the system folder.  I want the app on the server to have the
ability to acces that file on each of the clients... I know that I canhave my
init constantly upload that data file as it is updated, but I would rather
hav it so that the server query's the clients and the server retreives the
file on a "need to know" basis... any ideas?

--ADAM

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Wintermyre)
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Subject: Re: Server Query


Hi,

> located in the system folder.  I want the app on the server to have the
> ability to acces that file on each of the clients... I know that I
> canhave my init constantly upload that data file as it is updated, but I
> would rather hav it so that the server query's the clients and the server
> retreives the file on a "need to know" basis... any ideas?

Initially I would've said just have your server app send an AppleEvent when
it wants the file to the appropriate machine telling it to send the file to
the server.  But from what I remember stand-alone code resources don't work
with AppleEvents (unless you leech off of whatever happens to be the active
app).  You could have a background-only app that deals with the AppleEvents
and acts as an intermediary between your INIT and the server app (there is
some sample code out there called "AEDaemon" or something like that that
shows one way to do this).  Or you could use the PPC Toolbox.  Or you could
just use AppleTalk.  If you decide to use AppleTalk, check out the book
"Programming With AppleTalk" by Michael Pierce, published by Addison-Wesley
in the Macintosh Inside Out series.  It's a great book, with lots of very
useful source code.

Jim

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Subject: Re: Server Query

>Hi,
>
>> located in the system folder.  I want the app on the server to have the
>> ability to acces that file on each of the clients... I know that I
>> canhave my init constantly upload that data file as it is updated, but I
>> would rather hav it so that the server query's the clients and the server
>> retreives the file on a "need to know" basis... any ideas?
>
>Initially I would've said just have your server app send an AppleEvent when
>it wants the file to the appropriate machine telling it to send the file to
>the server.  But from what I remember stand-alone code resources don't work
>with AppleEvents (unless you leech off of whatever happens to be the active
>app).  You could have a background-only app that deals with the AppleEvents
>and acts as an intermediary between your INIT and the server app (there is
>some sample code out there called "AEDaemon" or something like that that
>shows one way to do this).  Or you could use the PPC Toolbox.  Or you could
>just use AppleTalk.  If you decide to use AppleTalk, check out the book
>"Programming With AppleTalk" by Michael Pierce, published by Addison-Wesley
>in the Macintosh Inside Out series.  It's a great book, with lots of very
>useful source code.
>
>Jim
>
>[e-mail]
>[e-mail]


Personally, I would use the PPC Toolbox (having just done that very thing
for a client's application). It doesn't require much in terms of
programming effort
and will save you a lot of headaches (PPC functions do not require an event
loop).

Lloyd


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Hi,

>I am having problems compiling NCSA Telnet 2.6
>source code. I keep on coming up with the error
>message
>
>Invalid redeclaration of TheGDevice
>
>this declaration is in the Sysequ.h file. Does
>anyone out there know how to get round this
>problem?

Perhaps are you using both SysEqu.h and LoMem.h files? This could cause the
problem you mentioned.

Hope this helps...
Marco

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Wintermyre)
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Subject: TPM Translator Format?

Does anyone know if the format for THINK Project Manager translators is
described somewhere (i.e. so a 3rd party developer could write a
translator)?

Jim

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>Does anyone know if the format for THINK Project Manager translators is
>described somewhere (i.e. so a 3rd party developer could write a
>translator)?

I have signed a non-disclosure contract about the TPM and got a
documentation and a bunch of header files that describes how to build
translators. Unfortunately one cannot build a translator that produces
intermediate C language source, the translation has to be done step
from some source language to the binary image. In my case I actually
have a specification compiler that produces REZ input, thus I did not
write a translator and still to the steps by hand.

Best Regards,
Jens-Uwe Mager

HELIOS Software GmbH
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To quote Jens-Uwe Mager,

> >Does anyone know if the format for THINK Project Manager translators is
> >described somewhere (i.e. so a 3rd party developer could write a
> >translator)?

> I have signed a non-disclosure contract about the TPM and got a
> documentation and a bunch of header files that describes how to build
> translators. Unfortunately one cannot build a translator that produces
> intermediate C language source, the translation has to be done step
> from some source language to the binary image. In my case I actually
> have a specification compiler that produces REZ input, thus I did not
> write a translator and still to the steps by hand.

Here's an idea...  Can you tell from the TPM docs whether it's
possible to _CALL OTHER TRANSLATORS_ from one another?  If not, how
about calling an 'external applet' that will control the TPM via
AppleEvents, adding whatever C file is generated, and having the TPM
compile it?  If BBEdit can do it, why can't you? *grin*  {Nothing
personal, Rich.}

          -=Alan
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From: [e-mail] (Jens-Uwe Mager)
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Subject: Re: TPM Translator Format?


>Here's an idea...  Can you tell from the TPM docs whether it's
>possible to _CALL OTHER TRANSLATORS_ from one another?  If not, how
>about calling an 'external applet' that will control the TPM via
>AppleEvents, adding whatever C file is generated, and having the TPM
>compile it?  If BBEdit can do it, why can't you? *grin*  {Nothing
>personal, Rich.}

It should be possible in principle, the TPM really loads plain vanilla
application style code resources into its own heap. It does for example
do all the CODE 0 processing on the tranlators itself without the help
of the Toolbox. Doing all that sounds rather complicated.

Jens-Uwe
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From: Robert Fuhrer <[e-mail]>
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> It should be possible in principle, the TPM really loads plain vanilla
> application style code resources into its own heap.

You should note that though the translators are basically like normal
applications, TPM places a few modest constraints on behaviour for things to
work properly...

----------------------
Robert M. Fuhrer
Computer Science Dept.
Columbia University
503 Computer Science Building     [phone]
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I think it would be neat and fairly simple for Symantec to allow attaching
pre-/post-translation actions (read AppleScript scripts) to each file, possibly
along with pre-/post-build actions for the entire project. Then, if your
translator was scriptable at the most basic level, you could accomplish what
you want and much more. E.g., you could install your application with
supporting files/docs in some standard place. Or build a self-extracting
archive from the files you want to ship.

In fact, if you could extend the set of events (currently only "translate
file", "build project") with programmer-defined ones, you could have a nice,
flexible make-like facility to do the things TPM isn't prepared to do for you.
Programmer-defined events could be made accessible under the Project menu.

----------------------
Robert M. Fuhrer
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Columbia University
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Subject: Telnet mouse postion -> escape code?

I understand Telnet for the Macintosh is written in think-c. I have two
questions:

  o Is there source code available for Telnet (2.6) for the Mac and if so
    where can I get it?

  o Is there any way that upon a mouse click the (x,y) coordinates of the
    cursor in the telnet window can be converted to an escape sequence
    ( or any cryptic sequence for that matter ) so that applications running
    in that telnet window can receive and make use of them. In other words
    can telnet be made to work with a simple vt100 menu system which waits
    for mouse events? Sounds so simple - yet why has this not been done
    before?


Cheers,

Richard Coop,
Systems Support,
Imperial Cancer Research Fund,
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Subject: Re:  Telnet mouse postion -> escape code?

Answer one:

 There is source code available for Telnet 2.6 and I have a copy on my
 Mac. I can pass it on when you are ready.

Answer two:

 That is indeed possible.

Problem one:

  I have patched and modified the code and eliminated "bugs" with
  one exception. Of all the 59 files to compile one is failing due
  to a Mac specific type redeclaration. I am right now in the
  process of sending out feelers for any way round this. If or
  rather when I find the solution then we can move to the clicking.
  The clicking should be quite straight forward with event propagation
  etc..

Josh.
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>  o Is there any way that upon a mouse click the (x,y) coordinates of the
>    cursor in the telnet window can be converted to an escape sequence
>    ( or any cryptic sequence for that matter ) so that applications running
>    in that telnet window can receive and make use of them. In other words
>    can telnet be made to work with a simple vt100 menu system which waits
>    for mouse events? Sounds so simple - yet why has this not been done
>    before?
        This has been done before - see versa term. This has a menu to
enable an edit cursor that when clicked, generates a series of keys to move
the cursor to the current mouse position in the window. It can do this for
vi/emacs/something else, you could add this to the source of 2.6 when you
get it.

        Donal.
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Hey!

Telnet 2.5+ already allows you to send "mouse-events"!  If you hold down
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Subject: Compile Problems

Anyone:

Using SC++ 7.0.3 I get the listed errors when I try to compile TList.cpp.
Best I can tell these functions are properly declared as members of TSList.
What am I doing wrong?  Am I missing something basic?

The project contains:
 main.cpp  //does nothing now
 TList.cpp
 CPlusLib
 MacTraps
 oops++
 IOStreams
 ANSI++

Thanks in advance

Dennis Jones

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
File "TList.cpp"; Line 51
Error:   'TSList::Add' is not a member of struct 'TSList'

File "TList.cpp"; Line 56
Error:   'TSList::Remove' is not a member of struct 'TSList'

File "TList.cpp"; Line 61
Error:   'TSList::InputData' is not a member of struct 'TSList'

File "TList.cpp"; Line 66
Error:   'TSList::DisplayData' is not a member of struct 'TSList'
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
// TList.cpp

#include <stdlib.h>
#include <iostream.h>

class TSNode
{
public:
 // None
private:
 friend class TSList;

 TSNode *next;
 TSNode *prev;
 //TStudent *student; //class to hold ID and Name
};

class TSList
{
public:
 TSList() { start = end = current = 0; }
 ~TSList();
 void Insert();
 void Append();
 void Add(TSNode);
 void Remove(TSNode);
 void InputData(TSNode);
 void DisplayData(TSNode);
private:
 TSNode *start;
 TSNode *end;
 TSNode *current;
};

TSList::~TSList()     // destructor
{
 //...
}

void TSList::Insert()    // Adds node at start of list
{
 //...
}

void TSList::Append()    // Adds node at end of list
{
 //...
}

void TSList::Add(TSNode *p)
{
 //...
}

void TSList::Remove(TSNode *p) // Deletes node pointed to
{
 //...
}

void TSList::InputData(TSNode *p)  // Updates data in node pointed to
{
 //...
}

void TSList::DisplayData(TSNode *p) // Displays data in node pointed to
{
 //...
}



Dennis Jones
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I am working on a statistic application and I am looking for C++ statistic class
libraries like for example vector- and matrix operations and distribution- and
plot functions.


                           Lukas

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> I am working on a statistic application and I am looking for C++ statistic class
> libraries like for example vector- and matrix operations and distribution- and
> plot functions.
>
> [e-mail]
>

Check out the C++-faq/libraries. Here's an excerpt on how to get it.
Lots of references in there. You might find what you're looking for...
The whole thing is about 90K and I don't want to mess up broken
mailers out there...

Cheers,
Ramin.
-----------------

Here is the latest draft of a list of available C++ libraries I am
compiling. I intend to post this monthly (unless there are any
complaints).

It is also submited to news.answers, and is available for public ftp
(along with all the other Usenet FAQ lists) at rtfm.mit.edu (18.70.0.209),
in pub/usenet-by-group/comp.lang.c++/C++_FAQ/libraries.

Rtfm.mit.edu also has a mail server - send a mail message containing
"usenet-by-group/comp.answers/C++-faq/libraries" to [e-mail].
If you want to find out more about the mail server, send a message to it
containing "help".

Marshall Cline's C++ FAQ is also available from rtfm - the files are
called _posting_#1_4, _posting_#2_4, _posting_#3_4 and _posting_#4_4, and
they are in the same directory.

[...]

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From: Brandon <[e-mail]>
Subject:      StandardFileReply
To: [e-mail]

Dear Think-C'ers,
   I am trying to teach myself C and have go myself a summer job developing
a program for the Zoology Dept here at Wash. State Univ. I am trying to
get the name of the selected file and place in Str255 variable from a
StandardFileReply variable named reply. Can someboy help me?

   Maybe it would help to explain what I want the program to do. The program
is to read in a TEXT file. The TEXT file contains lines of ones (1) and
zeros (0) (4 to 20 lines with up to 120 ones and/or zeros per line). The
lines represent DNA samples obtained by electrophoresis. Each line is
compared with the other lines of the file to obtain a "distance". To get
this two lines are compared and if the same position in both lines match
then a counter is incremented. And thus, a matrix is formed from all the
comparisons. My problem here is that I don't know how to manipulate the file
to do the manipulation or what to do after I get the file is selected from
StandardFileReply. My solution, a naive solution, was to get the file name
from the StandardFileReply and use the file name in a call to fopen and do
all the calculations as if I were doing it on UNIX. And do the same with
output file.

To make a long message short, I would appreciate any help anyone has to offer.
Thanks in advance,
Brandon Burch
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
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From: Dana S Emery <[e-mail]>
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Have you exhausted other options for doing distance calculation?  I think
Phylip has the ability to do what you describe.

The unix-oriented file functions of the standard libraries (ie fsopen) are
intended to support existing code being ported from unix, they are not a
good foundation for new code, you are better off using native mac
facilitys.  Be advised that the original mac roms mixed pascal and
assembler code, thus both pascal and assembler calling conventions are
in use, and all C compilers used to develop mac code must be capable of
supporting those conventions for toolbox calls and trap calls.  Normally
you dont get concerned by this, but since pascal and c use different atomic
type's you do have to be aware of it, especially with strings.

pascal strings have a fixed upper limit on length and always start with
a declaration of how much of it is in use, usually this length indicator
is a byte, limiting strings to 255 bytes of length, and allowing arbitrary
content.  C strings are of arbitrary length but may not contain the value
0x00, it is reserved for use as a sentinal to mark the end of the string.
Occaisionally you will work with substrings, ie arbitrary runs of character
data with neither length byte nor trailing sentinal.  All 3 formats have
intrinsic virtue and drawbacks, but in a Mac environment you will never be
using C strings whenever you deal with the OS or its utilitys.

If you are using Think C you have a copy of the TCL, it has demo projects
(New Class Demo eg) which will do the basics of what you need, ie, open and
close files of type "TEXT".  Even if you dont use the TCL as a foundation
for your code you will benefit from an examination of the TCL code, particularly
the new class demo overrides of CApplication and CDocument.

You have a fairly long row to hoe here, but starting with TCL will give you
lots of stuff done right, admitedly programming with objects might be a bit
much for a new programmer to grasp, but then so is the mac api (toolbox);
and a lot of that will be hidden from you if you use the TCL.

I would be glad to help in more detail if you need it, especially if Phylip
proves not to be of use.  My preference is to use Think C 5.0.4 with TCl 1.1.3,
but we also have later versions of Think C and metrowerks DR3 here.
BTW, the most challanging part of your work will be to define how the user
interface for your program wil behave, its internal coding may be a mystery
to you now, but its not really all that difficult to get control of that.
--
dana s emery

<[e-mail]>
                University of Maryland, Dept. of Botany mac guru

<[e-mail]>
                Smithsonian Insitutution, Laboratory of Molecular Systematics

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>Dear Think-C'ers,
>   I am trying to teach myself C and have go myself a summer job developing
>a program for the Zoology Dept here at Wash. State Univ. I am trying to
>get the name of the selected file and place in Str255 variable from a
>StandardFileReply variable named reply. Can someboy help me?

>Thanks in advance,
>Brandon Burch
>[e-mail]
>[e-mail]


Brandon,

If I understood your question, the problem has to do with using C type file
functions. I recommend that you use the ToolBox functions for opening, closing,
reading, etc. from files, instead. The following is a code example extracted
from Think C Reference. I highly recommend you get a copy.


/* CODE EXAMPLE #1 */
#include <Files.h>
#include <StandardFile.h>

SFReply tr;
short   rc, fRefNum;
Point   where;

where.h=100; where.v=50;     /* where the  Standard File dialog window goes */

SFGetFile( where, "\pSelect a file", 0, -1, 0, 0, &tr );

if ( tr.good ) {
    rc = FSOpen( tr.fName, tr.vRefNum, &fRefNum );
    if ( rc ) { /* . . . handle the error . . . */ }
    MyReadFile( fRefNum );      /* read the file */
    FSClose( fRefNum );     /* close it */
}


Good Luck,
R. Aaron Falk
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From: [e-mail] (Reuben Gellman)
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Subject: SetHandleSize problem
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This is my first extensive experience with mac-style memory management (yuck!).
My prog was previously written using std unix-style malloc/realloc calls,
and mostly worked OK but sometimes inexplicably crashed. Since it uses LARGE
dynamically allocated arrays of doubles, I figured I should go to NewHandle
etc. Anyway, NewHandle returns fine, and the Handles & deref'd pointers look
OK. I start reading data into the arrays-- still looks fine. Then, if
necessary, I expand my arrays with a call to SetHandleSize. This causes
MemError to return to value -113, which, my copy of Think Ref (couldn't
find it anywhere in IM "Memory") says means:
memAZErr    Address in zone check failed

What on earth does that mean & what should I do about it? Better: what am
I doing wrong?

I should note that I'm using TC 5.0 (really), that this is a MacIISi with lots
of RAM, and that I set the partition for the app to 3Meg. The failure
occurs when I try to allocate 200 doubles in each of 4 arrays.
Finally: I stripped the prog down to bare bones: just allocing the handles
and filling them-- same prob. And I do call MaxApplZone up front.

I can provide source if necessary.

Thx
Reuben Gellman
[e-mail]



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>This is my first extensive experience with mac-style memory management (yuck!).

Hmmm....don't know if I agree with the yuck. Gives you a good amount of
control , whilst leaving it mostly up to the OS, gets rid of most memory
allocation problems, and keeps memory pretty tight....but that's IMHO.

>My prog was previously written using std unix-style malloc/realloc calls,
>and mostly worked OK but sometimes inexplicably crashed. Since it uses LARGE
>dynamically allocated arrays of doubles, I figured I should go to NewHandle
>etc. Anyway, NewHandle returns fine, and the Handles & deref'd pointers look
>OK. I start reading data into the arrays-- still looks fine. Then, if
>necessary, I expand my arrays with a call to SetHandleSize. This causes
>MemError to return to value -113, which, my copy of Think Ref (couldn't
>find it anywhere in IM "Memory") says means:

When you were doing neat things like deref'ing your Handles did you lock
them first???

>memAZErr    Address in zone check failed
>
>What on earth does that mean & what should I do about it? Better: what am
>I doing wrong?

Hmmm...I must admit I'm not totally sure....

>I should note that I'm using TC 5.0 (really), that this is a MacIISi with lots
>of RAM, and that I set the partition for the app to 3Meg. The failure
>occurs when I try to allocate 200 doubles in each of 4 arrays.
>Finally: I stripped the prog down to bare bones: just allocing the handles
>and filling them-- same prob. And I do call MaxApplZone up front.

You should certainly have enough. Try looking for a program called Swatch
by joe holt (he spells it lower case). It will give you a graphical
representation of how your memory is being allocated, and you can take a
look at what's happening.


Good luck....

Dave
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Subject: Re: SetHandleSize problem
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Hi:
Thanks for your reply. Yes, I use "HLockHI" (or sometime MoveHHi
followed by HLOck) before deref'ing, and I call HUnlock before calling
SetHandleSize. Any other ideas?

Reuben Gellman


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From: Hong Shi <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Update file

I need to do the following updating on a file:

The original file is a description of a model, which contains entries
such as title, description, definition, etc. Now I need to change the
definition. I have another file which has just the definition entry for
each variable. So I need to locate each definition entry in the original
file and find correspondent definition in another file and replace it.

I was thinking bring both file into mem and update it, but seems
insertion/deletion within a string is not easy, and do this on the file
directly also seems to me a little difficult (I am new to Mac
programming), any suggestions on how to do this effectively and easily?
Sizes of both files are in the range of 10k-20k.

Thanks,

Hong


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Wintermyre)
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Subject: Re: Update file

Hi,

> I was thinking bring both file into mem and update it, but seems
> insertion/deletion within a string is not easy, and do this on the file
> directly also seems to me a little difficult (I am new to Mac
> programming), any suggestions on how to do this effectively and easily?

Check out the Mac toolbox function "Munger" - it allows you to do this sort
of manipulation of data.  If you have the THINK Reference, there is a good
description of it in there.  If not, you should consider getting it because
it is a *major* timesaver as far as Mac programming goes.  You could also
use one of the C library functions ('strstr'? - I'm not too up on the C
libraries).

Hope this helps,
Jim

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Subject: Background Events

I am trying to write an application that will run in the background to backup
what I do in my word processor, etc.  It takes keyDown and autoKey events,
detects the key, and then appends that letter to a small file in the system
folder.  Usineg "Set project type..."  I set it to accept background events,
but it still won't accept the keyDown and autoKey events unless it is the
active App.  Any ideas?

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This seems like a very easy question, but one that I just couldn't figure
out.

I've got ThinkC 5.04 and I want to use the toolcalls, HasDepth and
SetDepth... unfortunately, I (& Think C) can't seem to find the
hooks/calls to them.  If this is a real simple question,  I'm sorry, but
could you direct me to the library or include that I'm lookin for?

thanks
arnold

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  Yeah, you have to install a jGNEFilter routine to catch events for other
apps.  WNE will only give your app events that belong to it.

Dave

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  A quick glance in Think Ref says that it is defined in <Palettes.h>.
You might want to make sure that you are including this file (I don't
think MacHeaders normally includes that file, but I may be mistaken).

  In the universal headers, both routines have some asm glue for calling
the trap, so it is probably the same in the old headers.

  Dave

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How do I install a jGNEFilter, then?

--ADAM

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  Pete Gontier (sp?) has an excellent example for creating and manipulating
jGNEFilters.  I know for a fact that it is archived in the alt.sources.mac
archive at ftpbio.bgsu.edu (129.1.252.66).  I know for a fact it is there
(because I am the sole archivist ;-) but I am not sure where it is in the
archive.  Just log in as anonymous (please use your email address as your
password).  You will start out in the /ftp/pub directory, and the
jGNEFilter source would either be in the /ftp/pub/other directory or
somewhere in the /ftp/pub/alt.sources.mac hierarchy.

Dave

P.S.  The site is open to anyone, and submissions are encouraged!

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  I just checked, you can find the file as
/ftp/pub/alt.sources.mac/vol-01/jgnefilter.cpt.hqx

Dave

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From: [e-mail] (Ron Goebel)
Subject: Form design

Hi netters -

I am attempting to write my first serious Mac program, and am having doubts
about the best way to proceed with the interface design.  Basically I want
the user to be presented with a "form" for data entry each time a new
document window is opened.  It should look something like so:

        Name:________________________   Age:____   Sex:_____   Date:___________
        Occupation:__________________  ...
            .
            .
            .
            <several pages worth in here>
            .
            .
            .
        Other tests:___________________________________________________________

This will all be static text, and each underlined area will have its own
TextEdit field for data entry.

My question is pretty basic.  Is it better to have the program build this
form out of string resources and window coordinates, or should I create it,
say in a word processor, and save it as a PICT resource to be drawn into
the document window?  It would certainly be easier to do the latter, but
I'm wondering if this would cause problems later on, like with screen
updates, SAVEs, or program modifications.  Or is there some other way which
is better?

Any help or suggestions will be appreciated.  TIA.

Ron Goebel

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>   My question is pretty basic.  Is it better to have the
>   program build this form out of string resources and
>   window coordinates, or should I create it, say in a word
>   processor, and save it as a PICT resource to be drawn
>   into the document window?

Either technique is reasonable, using a pict is similar to dealing
with a scanned copy of an existing form.  You would still need a list
detailing the location of the edit-text areas for either scheme, and
some indication of how to validate the users inputs.

I think you need to get access to some applications that do this sort
of thing already and take notes of how the user perceives what is going
on, then translate that into how you would do it in code.  Any of the
Database programs are candidates here, Claris FileMaker Pro is an
example.  You might even be able to find a demo copy of it online.  Who
knows, you might simply decide to use one of them instead of rolling
your own.

It is usefull to seperate the forms-design and forms fill-in interfaces,
perhaps even as seperate applications.  The design interface would allow
the user to locate, siz, and format different elements of the form
(Static text, Edit Text, Lines, Boxes, Elipses, Picts), perhaps with
repeating headers/footers and even dynamic 'glue' linking selected
elements.  Some elements might be for screen only, being suppresed on
printout.  Selected edit-text fields should have validation and/or
structure imposed on them (dates, numeric only, calculation...)

Yes, it may be possible to get by with resedit and a DITL like list of
stuf, but you will soon tire of that and wish you had gone the root of
making a GUI for describing the form, why not byte the bullet and get
on with it?  Look like an interesting job :-)
--
dana s emery <[e-mail]>

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As de19 said, you're still going to have to handle all those TERecs, and
therefore, you may want to go the route of FileMaker, etc...  If, however,
you like the joy of saying "this is my application," or if you want it to be
stand-alone, may I recommend HyperCard 2.2, SuperCard 1.6, and FoxPro for
Macintosh...

[e-mail]

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Subject: Hiding the menubar

Hi all again!  My application is supposed to hide the menuBar, and then bring
up a dialog box that covers the entire window...  The part of the dialog box
that "covers" the menubar is a pict.  With the code I have, I get my entire
dialog box with a white bar where the menubar was... ugh!  any ideas?

code for hiding menubar:   ( kLogoPict is the pict's id, kLogoRect is its
rect)

{
      WindowPtr  hideMenu;
        Handle   menuBar;
        MenuHandle  menu;
        Rect   totalRect, mBarRect;
        RgnHandle  mBarRgn;
        PicHandle  picture;

       gOldMBarHeight = MBarHeight;
       MBarHeight = 0;

       hideMenu = NewWindow( nil, &(screenBits.bounds), "\p", TRUE,

            plainDBox,  kMoveToFront, FALSE, (long)nil );
       SetRect( &mBarRect, screenBits.bounds.left,
               screenBits.bounds.top,
               screenBits.bounds.right,
               screenBits.bounds.top+gOldMBarHeight );

       mBarRgn = NewRgn();
       RectRgn( mBarRgn, &mBarRect );
       UnionRgn( hideMenu->visRgn, mBarRgn, hideMenu->visRgn );
       DisposeRgn( mBarRgn );
       SetPort(hideMenu );
        FillRect( &(blackMenu->portRect), white );
        picture = GetPicture( logoPict );
        DrawPicture( picture, &logoRect);

       .........
}

These are the functions that draw the dialog:

void DialogInit( void )
{
        dialog = GetNewDialog( kBaseResID, nil, kMoveToFront );

        SelectWindow( dialog );
        SetPort( dialog );
        ShowWindow( dialog );
}

void DrawBackground( void )
{
         PicHandle picture;

         picture = GetPicture( logoPict );
         DrawPicture( picture, &logoRect);
 }


Any ideas?

--Adam

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I'm happy to say that the list move has completed with few
problems.  If anyone has had or is having any problems using the new
list software, please let me know.  There are a few gotchas in the
software that I'm still becoming familiar with, but overall, it
appears to work quite well.

As far as the archive goes, the good news is that I am in the
process of transfering over the files from UC Irvine to Relational
Data Systems.  The bad news is that, for the time being, these files
will only be accessible via the list archive commands, that is,
INDEX and GET.  We have a firewall between our primary network and
the internet, and that firewall does not yet have the proper
resources to be a full ftp server.  That will change eventually,
probably when we upgrade from a 56K to a T1 link.  In the meantime,
access to the archive will only be possible using the list
software.  For more information on these commands, send the command
"HELP INDEX" or "HELP GET" to [e-mail].

I am working on a FAQ for the list (slowly) and will gladly accept
and input members have to offer on its contents and structure.  The
current bare-bones draft is available from the archive by issuing
the command "GET think-c/faq" to [e-mail].

The list message archives are (almost) all available under the
subarchive "think-c/messages".  The previous messages are in the
MMDF message separator format, but I will munge them to look like
standard format mailbox files ASAP.  All new messages are
automatically archived under the appropriate YY-MM file as they
arrive, so no more waiting until the next month for the previous
month's message archives.

In case anyone failed to notice, the new list software supports an
oft-requested feature: message digests.  If you prefer to receive
messages in a digest form, send the command "SET THINK-C MAIL
DIGEST" to [e-mail].  Digests are sent whenever 500 or
more lines of messages are available, or when 24 hours have passed,
whichever occurs first.

I guess that's it for now.  Thank you everyone for bearing with me
and any problems encountered during this transition.

Mark
--------
Mark D. Nagel <[e-mail]>      Relational Data Systems
                                             30 Executive Park, Suite 260
Eat right.  Exercise.  Die anyway.           Irvine, CA 92714
                                             [phone]
>From [e-mail] Mon Jul 18 10:40:40 PDT 1994
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To get the FAQ, send the command "get think-c faq", not "get
think-c/faq".  What a bonehead! :)

Mark
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Hi there! I am relativelty new to textedit, so I need help....  I have a
handle to a TERec (let's call it "myTERec")  I also have a TEXT resource with
id 128... How do I get the text from the rsrc to the rec???  Sample code
would help... :)

--Bob

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>
_____________________________________________________________________=
__________
> From: [e-mail] on 19 Jul, 1994 4:47
> Subject: TextEdit
> To: Multiple recipients of list
>=20
> Hi there! I am relativelty new to textedit, so I need help....  I h=
ave a
> handle to a TERec (let's call it "myTERec")  I also have a TEXT res=
ource
> with
> id 128... How do I get the text from the rsrc to the rec???  Sample=
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> would help... :)
>=20
> --Bob



=09textHand == TENew(&txtRect, &txtRect);

=09theText == GetResource('TEXT', textID);=09
  if( theText ) {=09
     HLock((Handle)theText);=09=09=09=09=09//=A5 Lock handle.
     TESetText( *theText, GetHandleSize(theText), textHand);
     HUnlock( (Handle)theText );
  }

-wayne
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Subject: PlotCIcon

im ploting some color icons several places in my code
some times to the screen and sometimes to offscreen buffers
there is one portion of code that, depending on how it is called
could go to either.
its in there that i consistently get a bus error, one so bad
that i must restart.  i am locking the handle early in the program.
sorry to be vague, my code is at home.
 i guess the best help would be if any of you could speculate as to
what could cause a bus error in plotcicon.
(the handle is not nil, it is allocated properly)

thanks

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Hi,

I would like to know:

1 ) Is there any C++-to-C precompiler which can be ftped somewhere, so that I
    can translate my C++ source file to ANSI C, and compile it on a VECstation?
    (since I don't have any C++ compiler on my VECstation.)

2 ) Is there any Borland C++ Mailling list on the net?  If there is one, what
    is the address for subscribing?

Thanks for your help in advance.

Song
[e-mail]
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Subject: User items...

I have a problem with my program... yes, again :\

I have several areas within my dialog defined as user items...  The mainloop
gets events, determines that they are mouseDowns, and passes them to my
HandleMouseDown().  So far so good... However, I can't seem to get it to give
me the item number that was hit!!! I've tried:

DialogSelect( &event, &dialog, &itemHit )       -and-
itemHit = FindWindow( event->where, &theWindow )

In both cases, itemHit always is assigned a value of -1, and not it's
respective item number... I know I must've made an incredibly stupid mistake
somewhere (too many coding all-nighters), but I don't know where....
Thoughts?

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>
> im ploting some color icons several places in my code
> some times to the screen and sometimes to offscreen buffers
> there is one portion of code that, depending on how it is called
> could go to either.
> its in there that i consistently get a bus error, one so bad
> that i must restart.  i am locking the handle early in the program.
> sorry to be vague, my code is at home.
>  i guess the best help would be if any of you could speculate as to
> what could cause a bus error in plotcicon.
> (the handle is not nil, it is allocated properly)
>
> thanks
>
>
I am not sure if this will help, but
check to make sure that you unlock the handle, because,
if I'm not mistaken, PlotCIcon also moves memory around.

If this doesn't help, check to see if the handle is truly
not null and valid.  By valid, I mean, did you allocate
it using GetCIcon? (through a cicn resource) or did you
build it dynamically?  If so, then compare the icon
data with a sample icon resource to see if the headers
are correct.

If you're still stuck, email the offending code snippet
to me.

regards...


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July 20, 1994
For Immediate Release

Contact:
Rich Siegel
Bare Bones Software, Inc.
1 Larkspur Way #4
Natick, MA 01760
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
Internet: [e-mail]
CIS: 73051,3255
AppleLink: BARE.BONES

Bare Bones Software acquires PopupFuncs, announces support for
Metrowerks

Natick, MA -- Bare Bones Software, Inc., today announced it has acquired
"PopupFuncs" from SciComp Software of Cupertino, CA. PopupFuncs is a
programmer's productivity tool which provides instant access to language
constructs defined in C, C++, Pascal, Object Pascal, Rez, and
assembly-language source files.

"Bare Bones Software will provide the marketing and support muscle,
freeing us to concentrate on developing new technologies and products,"
said Eric Slosser, proprietor of SciComp Software.

Rich Siegel, president and CEO of Bare Bones Software, said "The
acquisition of PopupFuncs is consistent with our goal of providing the
finest, most cost-effective productivity tools for Macintosh
developers."

Bare Bones Software also announced that they are readying a new release
of PopupFuncs. Version 2.4, slated to ship at the 1994 MacWorld Expo in
Boston, adds Metrowerks' CodeWarrior and Nisus Software's QUED/M to the
list of supported editors and environments. The current release supports
BBEdit, from Bare Bones Software, THINK C and Symantec C++ from Symantec
Corp., and MPW, from Apple Computer, Inc.

"Since beta, our customers had been demanding that we support
PopupFuncs. Because of the clean design of the PopupFuncs API, our
engineers needed less than two hours to make the necessary changes.
We're happy, and so are our users." said Greg Galanos, president and CEO
of Metrowerks.

"PopupFuncs is of such fundamental utility that anyone who composes code
on a Macintosh should have a copy," said Tom Emerson, software engineer
in the Development Tools Group of Symantec. According to Leonard
Rosenthol, director of advanced technology for Aladdin Systems, Inc.,
"PopupFuncs can be used with all major editors, and this makes it the
only utility of its kind worth considering."

PopupFuncs 2.4 will be available directly from Bare Bones Software,
beginning August 1. Single-copy pricing is US$29.00 per copy, plus
shipping and handling. For additional information, contact Bare Bones
Software at the address given above.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Opening port on Powerbook
To: [e-mail]
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I use the folowing routine to open a serial port.
On several Mac's (classic, IIvx, IIci, 660Av) this
works nice, unfortunately a PB145 crashes when
running this routine,
any idea's what causes this problem?

thenks, Gerrit.

-----------------------------------------------------------

#define DROPDTR 0x80    /* don't drop DTR on close */

void initcom(int port, int sercontrol)
/* port = 1, comport, 2 = printerport */
{
        int                     result;
        char            dropdtr;

        dropdtr = DROPDTR;
        switch(port) {
                case 1: result = OpenDriver("\p.Aout",&PortoutRefNumber);
                                result = OpenDriver("\p.Ain",&PortinRefNumber);
                                break;
                case 2: result = OpenDriver("\p.Bout",&PortoutRefNumber);
                                result = OpenDriver("\p.Bin",&PortinRefNumber);
                                break;
                }
        result = SerReset(PortoutRefNumber,sercontrol);
        result = SerReset(PortinRefNumber,sercontrol);
        if (Settings.dropDTR)                   /* keep dtr on close */
                result = Control(PortoutRefNumber,16,&dropdtr);

}

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I've had trouble with recompling all of my old projects that compiled with
previous version of Think-C (i.e. 5.0.* and 6.0.*) after I purchased and
installed the newest version i.e. 7.0 (and it's upgrades to 7.0.3).  All my
projects that incorporate the following code end up with an error about
"invalid redeclaration of ...." the the following functions:

pascal OSErr SetDialogDefaultItem(DialogPtr theDialog, short newItem)
                                =       { 0x303C, 0x0304, 0xAA68 };
pascal OSErr SetDialogCancelItem(DialogPtr theDialog, short newItem)
                                =       { 0x303C, 0x0305, 0xAA68 };
pascal OSErr SetDialogTracksCursor(DialogPtr theDialog, Boolean tracks)
                                =       { 0x303C, 0x0306, 0xAA68 };


This code is exactly as suggested in my current version of Think Ref. and
it used to work OK.  What gives?  Any suggestions about better ways to do
this would be greatly appreciated.
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Subject: rowBytes in PixMap

The rowbyte of the screenBits PixMap for a given pixel depth seems not easy to
infer from its value in another depth.
For instance:
{
GDHandle gdh = GetMainDevice ();
short srb=((*((*gdh)->gdPMap))->rowBytes) & 0x7FFF;
}
gives in srb the wanted value for a given screendepth, eg
512 for a 16" color display in 16 colors connected to a Mac II (with video
card).
I would like to know about the rowbyte if the user would switch to another
depth.
In the preceding case we would have:
128 in depth    1       (B&W)
256             2    (4 colors)
512             4    ( 16 colors)
1024            8    (256 colors)
1664            16  (thousands  of colors)
  1664is not 2*1024 but   1664*8/16 is = 832 which is the pixelwidth of the
screen.

On a Quadra 950 (buildin Video and 21" monitor), we have
1152  in depth 16  (according the the 1152 pixelwidth of the screen)
576   in depth  8   but again
576   in depth  4, 2 or even 1.


Does it exist a way of getting the right value without calling
repeteadly SetDepth() for all acceptable values, which is not especially
smooth for the user!

Thanks for hints...






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Some time ago I posted a question approximatly the same as today.
I have not received too much praticable answer. This is the raison
I post it again with more technical details.


<<It is not recommanded to write directly in the memory screen but some
time we need to do that.

We managed for some graphics intensive application to use the
correct baseAddr of the screen bit(pix)map related to most
of the standard (Apple) monitors used for main device as
        screenBits.baseAddr.

Unfortunately with some (especially non Apple) monitors connected
(to not 32 bits machines) this does not work.
Does anyone knows about writing outside of the 24-bit world on
a 24 bit machine?>>

More technically
On a "standard" machine (24-bit adressing mode or  newer-machine having 32bit)
scrptr=screenBits.baseAddr+offset;
*scrptr=motif;

does the job and put the content ogf motif some where on the screen.

On a machine running in 24-bit with a video-ram at some higher adress:
mode_adressage=true32b;
SwapMMUMode(&mode_adressage);           // do not break here with think-C
debugger!
scrptr=screenBits.baseAddr+offset;
*scrptr=motif;
SwapMMUMode(&mode_adressage);

does also flawlessly the job.

Our problem is to do the same on a machine running in 24 bit without 32 bit
capabilities, like when installing a card (eg "futura interface card")
on a SE30 or a MacII Cx?

Thanks to every people answering last time and even more to people
answering this time!



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I've recently upgraded from TC++6.0.* to TC7.0 (then to 7.0.3) and in
trying to revise some previos C applications that include the following
code:

pascal OSErr SetDialogDefaultItem(DialogPtr theDialog, short newItem)
                                =       { 0x303C, 0x0304, 0xAA68 };
pascal OSErr SetDialogCancelItem(DialogPtr theDialog, short newItem)
                                =       { 0x303C, 0x0305, 0xAA68 };
pascal OSErr SetDialogTracksCursor(DialogPtr theDialog, Boolean tracks)
                                =       { 0x303C, 0x0306, 0xAA68 };

These function prototypes lead to a compiler error message:

redefinition of function SetDialog......


What gives?  This is exactly the syntax of the example given in Think
Reference and it used to work with my older versions of TC.  I cannot find
any definitions of these traps doing a search on all files from within my
open application either.  Any suggestions about this would greatly be
appreciated!
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Subject: Trouble w/ SetDialogDefaultItem etc. in TC 7.0.*

I am having trouble compling some C (not C++) projects that I've previously
written that contain the following lines of code:

pascal OSErr SetDialogDefaultItem(DialogPtr theDialog, short newItem)
                                =       { 0x303C, 0x0304, 0xAA68 };
pascal OSErr SetDialogCancelItem(DialogPtr theDialog, short newItem)
                                =       { 0x303C, 0x0305, 0xAA68 };
pascal OSErr SetDialogTracksCursor(DialogPtr theDialog, Boolean tracks)
                                =       { 0x303C, 0x0306, 0xAA68 };

These function prototype defs used to work fine with TC++ 6.0.* but since
I've upgraded to TC++ 7.0 (and now to 7.0.3) I get a compiler error message
that says:

invalid redefinition of functions SetDialog........


The syntax that I'm using is exactly as suggested in Think Reference and it
used to work fine - so what gives with TC++ 7.0.*?  By the way I have
searched "all files" from within my project and I don't find these
functions defined in any of the #included headers.   Any suggestions about
how to solve this problem would be greatly appreciated.
Prof. Paul Williard, Brown Univ., Dept. of Chemistry, Providence, RI 02912
USA
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Mark, I've been trying to post the following message to the think-c list at
the address given above with no success.  I would appreciate it if you
could post this for me  - I am having trouble compling some C (not C++)
projects that I've previously written that contain the following lines of
code:

<Beginning of post>

I am having trouble compling some C (not C++) projects that I've previously
written that contain the following lines of code:

pascal OSErr SetDialogDefaultItem(DialogPtr theDialog, short newItem)
                                =       { 0x303C, 0x0304, 0xAA68 };
pascal OSErr SetDialogCancelItem(DialogPtr theDialog, short newItem)
                                =       { 0x303C, 0x0305, 0xAA68 };
pascal OSErr SetDialogTracksCursor(DialogPtr theDialog, Boolean tracks)
                                =       { 0x303C, 0x0306, 0xAA68 };

These function prototype defs used to work fine with TC++ 6.0.* but since
I've upgraded to TC++ 7.0 (and now to 7.0.3) I get a compiler error message
that says:

invalid redefinition of functions SetDialog........


The syntax that I'm using is exactly as suggested in Think Reference and it
used to work fine - so what gives with TC++ 7.0.*?  By the way I have
searched "all files" from within my project and I don't find these
functions defined in any of the #included headers.   Any suggestions about
how to solve this problem would be greatly appreciated.


<End of post>


Thanks.
Prof. Paul Williard, Brown Univ., Dept. of Chemistry, Providence, RI 02912
USA
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From: Juri Munkki <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Graphics Devices (rowbytes&screen writing)

There is no way to find out what the rowBytes value will be. There is
absolutely no reason that I can think of that would require you to know
what it is in advance. Also remember that screen resolutions can now
change on the fly, so depending on a screen staying the same width
all the time is not reliable.

You should also remember that the Macintosh can have multiple screen
devices connected to it. You should never use screenBits to retrieve
the base address of a display. Read the Graphics Devices chapters in
IM V and VI (or the new edition of IM). All the necessary information
is there, except that they probably do not remind you to call ShieldCursor.

Always remember that whenever you call GetNextEvent, the whole graphics
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From: "Richard K. Wolf [phone]" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
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             "Paul G. Williard" <[e-mail]>
Subject:     Re: Trouble w/SetDialogDefaultItem TC-7.0.*

You do not need to redefine these traps.  Just keep the MacTraps2
library in your project and don't implement the traps yourself.  The same
thing happened to me when I upgraded.  Since I was told that I was illegally
"redefining" them, I figured they were already defined somewhere.

> I've recently upgraded from TC++6.0.* to TC7.0 (then to 7.0.3) and in
> trying to revise some previos C applications that include the following
> code:
>
> pascal OSErr SetDialogDefaultItem(DialogPtr theDialog, short newItem)
>                               =       { 0x303C, 0x0304, 0xAA68 };
> pascal OSErr SetDialogCancelItem(DialogPtr theDialog, short newItem)
>                               =       { 0x303C, 0x0305, 0xAA68 };
> pascal OSErr SetDialogTracksCursor(DialogPtr theDialog, Boolean tracks)
>                               =       { 0x303C, 0x0306, 0xAA68 };
>
> These function prototypes lead to a compiler error message:
>
> redefinition of function SetDialog......
>
>
> What gives?  This is exactly the syntax of the example given in Think
> Reference and it used to work with my older versions of TC.  I cannot find
> any definitions of these traps doing a search on all files from within my
> open application either.  Any suggestions about this would greatly be
> appreciated!
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>I use the folowing routine to open a serial port.
>On several Mac's (classic, IIvx, IIci, 660Av) this
>works nice, unfortunately a PB145 crashes when
>running this routine,
>any idea's what causes this problem?

I know this is old and unfashionable advice, but how about checking each of
the return codes from the system calls?

then you might find out which is failing.

making a habit of checking every return code will make your programs more
robust. Even if you don't add any error recovery at least you can present
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instead of just receiving a report of the program crashing.

cheers,


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From: John Draper <[e-mail]>
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Subject: DialogSelect problem

Someone comments:

>DialogSelect( &event, &dialog, &itemHit )       -and-
>itemHit = FindWindow( event->where, &theWindow )
>
>In both cases, itemHit always is assigned a value of -1, and not it's
>respective item number... I know I must've made an incredibly stupid
mistake
>somewhere (too many coding all-nighters), but I don't know where....
>Thoughts?

The 2nd line is un-necessary,  as it relates to window hits.   "ItemHit"
is a returned value that DialogSelect returns.

CC
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Hello,
        I'm thinking of writing an init that will run everytime someone
chooses print from any application.  It will then ask the person for a
name and password and then ( if the info is correct ) print the document
as it would normally.  Otherwise it stops the printing.
        Anyway my question is does anyone know how to catch the print job
before it prints so that I can ask for the information?  Does anyone have
any experience with this or know of any code somewhere which could help
me.  I have Inside Mac (old )but I didn't come across any useful info
there ( I probably was looking in the wrong places).
        Also after I get the info I have to check a database file ( probably
one that will be on unix machine ).  Does anyone have any experience with
that.  I'd appreciate any help anyone could give me.  If anyone has any
better ideas or knows of any software that does this already I also like
to hear about it.  Thanks for your time.


******************************************************************************
        This was no time for play
        This was no time for fun
        This was no time for games
        There was work to be done.
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******************************************************************************
                                        John Grimes
                                        reaper@jhunix
                                        HAC Consultant


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From: [e-mail] (Dave Sugar)
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To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  Printing

Begin Included Message ---

        Hello,
                I'm thinking of writing an init that will run everytime someone
        chooses print from any application.  It will then ask the person for a
        name and password and then ( if the info is correct ) print the document
        as it would normally.  Otherwise it stops the printing.
                Anyway my question is does anyone know how to catch the print job
        before it prints so that I can ask for the information?  Does anyone have
        any experience with this or know of any code somewhere which could help
        me.  I have Inside Mac (old )but I didn't come across any useful info
        there ( I probably was looking in the wrong places).
                Also after I get the info I have to check a database file ( probably
        one that will be on unix machine ).  Does anyone have any experience with
        that.  I'd appreciate any help anyone could give me.  If anyone has any
        better ideas or knows of any software that does this already I also like
        to hear about it.  Thanks for your time.

                                                John Grimes
                                                reaper@jhunix
                                                HAC Consultant

End Included Message ---

  I have actually writeen something that sort of does this.  I wrote it
for a company who wanted to do some accounting for print jobs sent from
networked Macintoshs to a Cannon Color Laser Printer.
  Anyway, to answer some of your questions.  In order tooget your info
you do have to write an INIT and you need to patch the _PrGlue trap.
That will get called when any of the printing functions gets called
PrOpen, PrClose, PrintDevault, etc...
  Then to get any info you have to get it out of the print record that
gets passed to the function.

  The way I tried to do it was to look at the different messages and
take info as  could get it.  You can bring up a dialog with no problem
but I had lots of trouble trying to cancel the print job if the user
pressed the cancel button as opposed to the ok button (I never got it
to work).

  Also I had trouble getting some of the correct information at times.
Like when printing to a LaserWriter I would always get 1 copy being
printed even if they were printing more than once copy.  I suspect that
it get's encoded into the Poastscript code somehow and I never see it.

  Some places to look for help would be Inside Mac (old) volume 2 in the
Printing Manager Chapter.  Also there is a document that I found from
Apple called 'Learning To Drive'.  I beleive that I found it on ftp.apple.com
but I might have found it on the CD-ROM.  I also think I found a HyperCard
stack that had some info in it.  It might have been SpInside Macintosh
if so, it would be the same stuff that is in Inside Mac Volume 5 (I don't
have volume 5 handy to look sorry)..

  Anyway, if you have any further questions feel free to ask.  I will
help as much as I can.  Also, I think the Printer Record stuff is going
change in the near future with the Quickdraw GX (but I'm not to sure).

  Good Luck
  Dave Sugar
  [e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Pete Gontier)
Subject: Re:  Printing

>Begin Included Message ---
>
>        Hello,
>> I'm thinking of writing an init that will run everytime someone
>> chooses print from any application. It will then ask the person for a
>> name and password...

>In order tooget your info
>you do have to write an INIT and you need to patch the _PrGlue trap.

I've written some code to do something like this as well, but the ugly
truth of the matter is that plenty of applications still use the linkable
printing library rather than call the Printing Manager trap(s). In other
words, they have a primitve version of the Printing Manager linked into
themselves. This may get less and less common as QDGX drivers propagate,
and in fact may be pretty uncommon today, since I wrote my test code a
while back, but this is the reason I ended up not using the code. Proceed
with caution. :-)

--

 Pete Gontier // CTO, Integer Poet Software // [e-mail]

 Note: the above email address is new. The Netcom address should be
 considered defunct (although it will still work for a while).


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Subject: bus error

this was previously titled 'plotcicon' because that is where the bus error hits.
however, the call to PlotCIcon works great as long as i dont do a certain
CopyMask.

{...

        for(i=0;i<6;i++){
                anIcon[i] = GetCIcon(200+i);
                HLock((Handle)anIcon[i]);
        }

        {...stuff...}

        if(i_want_a_bus_error){
                LockPixels(GetGWorldPixMap(OtherWorld));
                CopyMask(
                 &thePiece,
                 &pieceMask,
                 &((GrafPtr)OtherWorld)->portBits,
                 &thePiece.bounds,
                 &pieceMask.bounds,
                 &pieceRect);
                UnlockPixels(GetGWorldPixMap(OtherWorld));
        }

        {...stuff...}

        PlotCIcon(&aRect,anIcon[(0..5)]);    /* blam! (if ive done the copymask) */

..}

as far as i was able to discern, all variables are alocated.
btw - the LockPixnels ckall is returning truse (as in ok)
OtherWorld seems to be working (its used in other places too)

so, if i bypass that call to copymask, im ok.
otherwise...



thanks

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Date: Mon, 25 Jul 1994 10:02:12 +0000
From: "Edmund J. Sutcliffe" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Printing
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There is such an INIT already around which puts as username and password
at the top of the postscript sendout by the printer driver. There is
source code for this. Though I didn't write it, but I do have source. It
is available on ftp.york.ac.uk:/pub/mac/source/init.hqx
        Edmund

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From: [e-mail] (Marco Sandri)
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Date: Mon, 25 Jul 1994 03:23:01 -0700 (PDT)
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Hi,

>this was previously titled 'plotcicon' because that is where the bus error hits.
>however, the call to PlotCIcon works great as long as i dont do a certain
>CopyMask.
>
>{...
>
>       for(i=0;i<6;i++){
>               anIcon[i] = GetCIcon(200+i);
>               HLock((Handle)anIcon[i]);
>       }
>
>       {...stuff...}
>
>       if(i_want_a_bus_error){
>               LockPixels(GetGWorldPixMap(OtherWorld));
>               CopyMask(
>                &thePiece,
>                &pieceMask,
>                &((GrafPtr)OtherWorld)->portBits,
>                &thePiece.bounds,
>                &pieceMask.bounds,
>                &pieceRect);
>               UnlockPixels(GetGWorldPixMap(OtherWorld));
>       }
>
>       {...stuff...}
>
>       PlotCIcon(&aRect,anIcon[(0..5)]);    /* blam! (if ive done the copymask) */
>
>..}
>
>as far as i was able to discern, all variables are alocated.
>btw - the LockPixnels ckall is returning truse (as in ok)
>OtherWorld seems to be working (its used in other places too)

You should SetPort(OtherWorld) to ensure you are Copying into the right port...

Hope this helps.
Marco

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Date: Tue, 26 Jul 94 11:34:04 -0500
From: "Kevin O'Malley" <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Menu item limit question
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I would like to insert items into a popup menu using InsMenuItem as in:

                        for (i=0; i<numRecs; i++)
                                {
                                InsMenuItem(theMenu,key[i].fileName,i);
                                }

I was playing around with the size of numRecs and found that after
a certian point the speed of insertions decline with time. If I attempt
to insert 1k items, the first 190 (or so) insert at a resonable rate.
After this, the insertion declines with time to a point where it
is not acceptable.

It appears that popup menus are not intended to handle this many
items. Is this correct? If so, what is causing the speed decrease?
If not, whats up?

--Kevin - [e-mail]

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Subject: Re: Menu item limit question

>I would like to insert items into a popup menu using InsMenuItem as in:
>
>                        for (i=0; i<numRecs; i++)
>                                {
>                                InsMenuItem(theMenu,key[i].fileName,i);
>                                }
>
>I was playing around with the size of numRecs and found that after
>a certian point the speed of insertions decline with time. If I attempt
>to insert 1k items, the first 190 (or so) insert at a resonable rate.
>After this, the insertion declines with time to a point where it
>is not acceptable.
>
>It appears that popup menus are not intended to handle this many
>items. Is this correct? If so, what is causing the speed decrease?
>If not, whats up?
>
>--Kevin - [e-mail]

I would not be surprised if the menu manager was never intended to handle
such large menus. Perhaps you should consider using a scrolling list. The
HI police might arrest you for making a user scroll through such a long
menu. Although, I guess that kind of thing happens with fonts. If it is an
item that will often get that large, maybe you can rething the design a
bit. Another problem with having large menus is that causes  users to have
their button down for long periods of time, stealing the processor from
other applications. That time could be used if they could browse through
the list without taking all the processor time.

Anyway, I guess I can't really answer your question with any authority, but
I would just guess that the menu manager is not optimized for very large
menus.


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Wintermyre)
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: bus error

Hi,

> >as far as i was able to discern, all variables are alocated.
> >btw - the LockPixnels ckall is returning truse (as in ok)
> >OtherWorld seems to be working (its used in other places too)
>
> You should SetPort(OtherWorld) to ensure you are Copying into the right
> port...

This shouldn't matter with CopyBits or CopyMask, since the drawing does not
necessarily take place in the current port - it takes place in the port
passed to CopyBits/Mask.

Jim
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From: [e-mail] (Ted Slater)
Subject: memAZErr in TCL/VA project

Hi,

I'm writing my first real Mac app using Symantec C++ 7.0.3, TCL and VA, and
Object I/O. My document class (CMain) is derived from CSaver, and the pane
class I'm using is derived from CStyleText. Here's my problem:
I can open a file I've saved once. When I try to open another document, or
the same one after I've closed it, I get plinked into the Debugger by a
call to Failure. At that point, __gTCLBreakFailure == 1 and gBreakFailure
== 0. The error code is -113, which THINK Reference says is a memAZErr,
"Address in zone check failed". Sometimes I'm not lucky enough to get to
the Debugger, I just get a bus error in CEditText's Activate() member
function, or sometimes it's in FailMemError().

Does anyone have any idea why this might happen? Why only the second open,
not the first?

E-mail me if you need more info to help out. Thanks!!

Ted

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Date: Wed, 27 Jul 94 10:59:06 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Bradley R. Teegarden)
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        I am starting to learn the Think Class Library (v2.0.3).  As part of my
endeavor I am looking at Steve BushellUs Chess++ source code.  All of his
classes for the board and pieces are derived from the CObject class.  This class
has, unfortunately, been deleted from the current release of the TCL.  I would
like to either rewrite this class or use another base class from the TCL.  I
have obtained the old CObject.h file from Symantec, however, since CObject is
itself a derived class I am still at a loss.  Is there anyone on this mailing
list that would have a suggestion.  I have tried to e-mail Steve Bushell, but I
have yet to receive a response.  Enclosed is the old CObject.h file and the
CChessPiece.h file from SteveUs source code.
-Brad Teegarden ([e-mail])

<<<<<<<<<<begin enclosed files>>>>>>>>>>
/******************************************************************************
 CObject.h


******************************************************************************/

#pragma once

#include <oops.h>


class CObject : public indirect {

public:
   CObject(void);
   ~CObject(void);
   void*   operator new( long objSize);
   void operator delete( void* objStorage);
};

/****
 * CChessPiece.h
 *
 *      Abstract class representing the Chess peices.
 *
 *      Copyright ) 1993 Steven J. Bushell. All rights reserved.
 *
 ****/
#pragma once
#include <CObject.h>

#define kKingValue 0x5000

CLASS CChessBoard;

class CChessPiece : public CObject {
public:
        Boolean itsColor;
        short   itsValue;

        virtual void            IChessPiece(short aColor);
        virtual void            Draw(short rank, short file); // abstract Draw
method -- must be overridden
        virtual Boolean         IsValidMove(CChessBoard *aBoard, short newRank,
short newFile);
        virtual short           BoardLocationValue(CChessBoard *aBoard, short
rank, short file);
        virtual CIconHandle     GetCicnHandle(void);
        virtual void            RegisterMove(short rank, short file);
};


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From: [e-mail] (Jerry Hale)
Subject: C++ 7.0.3 upgrade

        Is there another archive that has the 7.0.3 Symantec C++ upgrade?
The devtools.symantec.com is an Apple running A/UX and as such Fetch does
not seem to work(this is not the first A/UX machine I have tried to use
Fetch on.)

Thanx for any help -

Jerry Hale  BSEE
Senior Systems Analyst
Southern Cal Edison
[phone]
Internet:  [e-mail]
The opinions expressed herein are not those of SCE.  I thought of them first.



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Subject: Re: C++ 7.0.3 upgrade

Not exactly.  It's a IIci running System 7.1 limited to 10 concurrent users
plus it is a local server for the tech support group.  The FTP server will
be moved to a SUN Sparc 20 in the near future.  You'll see an announcement
here when it happens.  WWW server also coming soon.

You can always get updates from sumex-aim.stanford.edu and
mac.archive.umich.edu and all their mirrors.

Rick


>        Is there another archive that has the 7.0.3 Symantec C++ upgrade?
>The devtools.symantec.com is an Apple running A/UX and as such Fetch does
>not seem to work(this is not the first A/UX machine I have tried to use
>Fetch on.)
>
>Thanx for any help -
>
>Jerry Hale  BSEE
>Senior Systems Analyst
>Southern Cal Edison
>[phone]
>Internet:  [e-mail]
>The opinions expressed herein are not those of SCE.  I thought of them first.


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Bare Bones Software Delivers First Native Text Editor for Power Macintosh(R)

Natick, MA -- Bare Bones Software Inc. today began shipping version 3.0
of their popular and critically acclaimed text editor "BBEdit". In
addition to being accelerated for Power Macintosh, BBEdit 3.0 features
support for several new Apple(R) technologies, including PowerTalk(R) mail
services, OSA scripting, and Macintosh Drag and Drop user-interface
extensions.

BBEdit 3.0 takes advantage of native PowerPC(TM) code to greatly enhance
the speed of common operations such as loading and saving files, and
text editing, searching and transformation. In addition, BBEdit is
extensible via plug-in code modules, which may be implemented with
native PowerPC code for optimal performance.

BBEdit 3.0 also features a unique Find Differences facility, which
compares files, folders, or project documents and displays the
differences between them. When comparing folders or projects, BBEdit
displays files which are common to both folders or projects, as well as
files unique to each folder or project. Common files can be directly
compared for differences.

As the result of an alliance with SciComp Software, BBEdit 3.0 also
features integrated PopupFuncs(TM) technology, which allows quick access to
C, C++, or Pascal constructs defined in a source file via a popup menu
in that file's window.

Other significant enhancements include support for user scripting via
AppleScript(R), Frontier(TM), or any other OSA-compliant scripting system,
use of Macintosh Drag and Drop in the user interface and for text
editing, and support for the AOCE "Standard Mail Package", so that users
can compose, send, and read PowerTalk mail messages from within BBEdit.

BBEdit 3.0 also features a number of user-interface enhancements,
included in direct response to user comments and suggestions. In order
to smooth the transition from other text-editing products to BBEdit,
Bare Bones Software has included a number of new text transformations,
including line sorting, generation of C function prototypes, line
numbering, and organization of delimited words into rows and columns.

Response from beta testers has been enthusiastic. Tom Emerson, a
software engineer in Symantec's Macintosh Development Tools Group, said,
"The speed improvements on Power Macs are very impressive. Large files
open much faster than before, and search and replace operations,
particularly multi-file searching, really fly. I'm able to get more work
done in less time, thanks to BBEdit." According to Leonard Rosenthol,
director of advanced technology at Aladdin Systems, "The new ability to
compare folders has proven itself invaluable. I'm able to quickly
compare two sets of source files and determine the differences between
them, and integrate those differences. Until BBEdit 3.0 came along, it
was a real chore." Chris Borton, senior software engineer at Storm
Technology, Inc., said that "BBEdit 3.0's combination of ease of use,
drag-and-drop text editing, XTND(TM) support, and integration with Symantec
C++ have made it my ideal development environment."

BBEdit 3.0 is available immediately at a suggested retail price of
US$99.00. Current BBEdit 2.5 owners can upgrade to version 3.0 for
US$39.00 (U.S. shipping & handling included). Bare Bones Software will
also honor the BBEdit 2.5 pricing structure for any orders postmarked
prior to July 29, 1994.

Customers who are currently using a freeware version of BBEdit, or a
competing or complementary product, can upgrade to BBEdit 3.0 for
US$69.00 plus shipping and handling. (Contact Bare Bones Software for
cross-upgrade information.) Students will be able to purchase BBEdit 3.0
for US$39.00, domestic shipping and handling included.

For additional information, including international shipping charges,
quantity and site-license pricing, contact Bare Bones Software at the
address given above.

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PowerPC is a trademark of International Business Machines Corporation.
Apple, AppleScript, Macintosh and PowerTalk are registered trademarks of
Apple Computer, Inc.
PopupFuncs is a trademark of SciComp Software.
XTND is a trademark of Claris Corporation.
Frontier is a trademark of UserLand Software.

Other products mentioned are trademarked by their respective producers.

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Bare Bones Software, Inc.                     Internet: [e-mail]
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      Rich Siegel            Michael Fryar               Patrick Woolsey
    President & CEO      Chief Operating Officer    Chief Technology Officer

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From: [e-mail] (Dave Sugar)
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Subject: CommToolbox Question??


  I'm using the Comm Toolbox in an application that I am writing, but I'm
affraid that I am not correctly initilizing it.  I have been looking in
the CommToolbox book but it hasn't helped me yet.  What I am doing is first
the usual init calls that every Mac Programs has to make.  Then I check
to see if the CommToolbox is indeed installed in the system.  If it is
I make 3 calls:
                err = InitCRM ();
                err = InitCTBUtilities ();
                err = InitCM ();

To initilize the CommToolbox (they work fine, no error is returned).  But
later when I go to read something from the CommToolbox, EvenBetterBusError
will break me into MacsBug saying 'Write to NIL'.  It only occurs on a
call to CMRead, and only once after I have restarted.  If I exit the program,
close the port (with CommCloser) and try it again it will work just fine.
I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong.

All my calls to CMNew and CMOpen work just fine with no errors returned.
I'm probabily just doing something stupid.  Has anyone had/seeen a problem
that sounds kind of like this and figured out a solution?  Also what would
be nice is if someone could direct me to some code that uses CommToobox
correctly so I can see what that is doing differently from me.

  Thanks
  Dave Sugar
  [e-mail]

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Subject: MacsBug?

Hello Netters,

Can anyone tell me what MacsBug is?  I'm familiar with DOS programming but
new to Mac OS.  I think it is a debugging utility, but what do I need to run
it?(I only have Think C.)  Does it require MPW environment?

Also, I have (freeware/shareware) disassembler.  However, I have no idea what
the assembly instructions mean.  Anyone know if there is doc for Mac
Assembly?  (Free & Electronic version?)

Thanks.


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From: Dana S Emery <[e-mail]>
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>   Can anyone tell me what MacsBug is?

MacsBug is software which replaces (and enhances) the low-level debugger
built in to the roms.  The original version was (I beleive) developed by
motorola for use with the 68000 chip, it has been extended since then by
motorola and apple (as far as the rom-resident version goes that is).
The software version of MacsBug is placed loose in the system folder (not
anywhere else), and is looked for specifically by the OS as it starts up,
if it is found you will see a second line in the startup greeting screen
proclaiming "MacsBug Installed".

Macsbug allows a knowledgable person to cope with certain abnormal program
conditions by providing an environment to diagnose them.  It doesnt occupy
much in the way of system resources, but it can present a naive user with
interesting challanges, so it probably shouldnt be loaded unless a programmer
is at the helm or clear instructions are posted nearby.

There may well be some tutorial material available online, start with the
FAQ's for this list and for the CSMP newsgroup.  Even better would be to
buy one of the several excellent books available.

Be aware that MacsBug software has had to evolve as new chips were
introduced by motorola and as new architectures were introduced by apple,
you should be careful about wht version you run.  There was an especially
nasty problem with the 68LC40 chip, motorola discovered an error in the
chip (since corected), this error forced a special version of macsbug.
Not sure if apple has exhausted its supply of the buggy chip BTW, so if
your machine uses this chip (all C610, many C650, Q605, some Q610, other
models including blackbirds) you will need the special version of macsbug.

>   Anyone know if there is doc for Mac Assembly?

online? I doubt it, book size documents are appropriate (and available).

Chip manufacturors (Motorola) publish technical specifications and other
literature which you should have available for reference, not only for
the CPU chip, but also for other related chips (MMU, PMMU, FPU, DSP...).
You will also need manuals for the Assembler software you intend to use
(probably MPW assembler, but some compilers support inline assembler,
refer the their documentation however skimpy).  Thee are some third-party
books to help you in this area.

Programming in assembler is not done much these days, the amount of detail
involved is often overwhelming, and the payback not always realised, the
risk of bugs is enormous and relates directly to the degree of freedom
you have and it's consequent responsibility.

Its too bad it costs so much to set up for doing assembler, I think a
background in assembler programming and debugging should be a part of
every programmers education.
--
dana s emery <[e-mail]>

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Subject: Error confusing newbee...

Im attempting to learn C++ using symantics version 6.1 version compiler.  I
have several good books on the subject, but each time I try to run example
code, I get this error:

line 1 (Symantic C++)
Error: Different configuration for precompiled header

This is really killing me, as I can't attempt to learn more until I can test
my knowledge...

Please offer assistance if you can...

bwest2@aol

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Subject: Re: Error confusing newbee...

Go into the preferences dialog, and try setting the preferences to
"Factory" settings....hopefully this will help...

Cheers, (and good luck!)
Dave


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